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How to test with paid DMS on test server?

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hansonexperience

Hi,

 

I installed my blog in wordpress and my sql database on localhost for testing purpose as adviced by Danny Great to work in such a way. But how can I test things if I just have 1 DMS paid version?

I cannot activate a fresh/new one on the test side and therefore I am not able to test with all sections and things.

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Danny
HI,
 
You can't, as you can only use your license key once, if you're using the Personal license.
 
However, the idea behind working locally, is that this is a private site for testing your custom code. Once you have achieved your styling/layout/design, you move your site to a live server.

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hansonexperience

Danny yes I know but I want to test in the same "environment" as live. Otherwise I cannot test the behaviour of plugins and settings a.s.o which are on the local server. Something could break the layout or behaviour. Better test this local.

Also for styling/layout/design I would have the possibility on local server to experiment. How can I design a layout when a lot of sections a.s.o are not available local?

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Danny
If you have your license active on a live site and want to work locally at the same time, you will need to either upgrade to the Professional or Developer license or disable your license on your live server.
 
The purpose of working locally, is so that you get all your testing done before moving to a live site.

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hansonexperience

I can imagine this workflow for normal websites but for blogs this is another path. I change things every now and then. Installing plugins, using new tricks, testing new functionality, changing layot, adding pages with new layout a.s.o 

Disabling license must be done several times a day then.

Why not having a test-license? So for testing purpose, and not live?

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Danny

Adding a license for local installation is a good idea and one that I will bring up in our monthly report.

 

However, you shouldn't really being changing your layout etc.. several times a day, especially on a live server where your users/visitors will see these changes and if anything goes wrong, it doesn't look professional.

 

Thats why working locally, testing updates for Wordpress, plugins, themes and installing new plugins etc.. should be done imo locally before hand. So you limit the risk of any potential errors, issues.


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hansonexperience

danny I know that I must not change the whole layout, but minor updates like breadcrumbs, new nice things from pagelines a.s.o. must be tested locally and I do that several times a day. And because I want to test them I need a license otherwise I test it on something which is not really the same

After testing I put it on my live blog. But now I have to test them on my live blog because my local install does not have all sections a.s.o installed.

 

Great that you will bring it up. Could be a nice feature such a free testing license of local license.

 

Thx!

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Danny
Ok, I have reported it to our tracker, so our developers will be aware of it and no problem.

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hansonexperience

Great. I downloaded the new headlines theme and wanted to test it locally. And without professional sections it does not make sense.

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Rob

I thought you had sorted out your account Hans.


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hansonexperience

Hi Rob this is not about the login in problem but about the idea to have a free testing license on local server which runs for example on mamp. I want to test things for example a new theme, but cannot do that because I have no license on the local testing environment. So I cannot see implications. Same for plugins, new sections a.s.o.

 

Danny will bring this up in developersteam

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Rob

If one has a licensed version, there's no reason I can think of, that you couldn't install, in a separate WP install, a free version of DMS, downloadable via our homepage.  That should work on MAMP, as many others in this forum have done.  It will not have 100% of the options your paid version will have, but for all intents and purposes, the few things that won't work in the free version should not prevent comprehensive testing.

 

Conversely, if your license is a business level, then you have 6 possible sites to use it on, and could test using one of them.  Once your testing is complete, as many others have done, they simply manage their license to remove the test site, freeing up that installation license for future use.  Of course, a developer's license gives you unlimited installations, allowing you to test everything (premium store items must be purchased separately, of course).


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hansonexperience

Rob I have installed free version on mamp and that works great. No problem so far. The thing is I cannot test it thoroughly. I cannot build the site as it is now (for example magazine style layout, several sections a.s.o). So when I install the new headlines theme now on the local test site I cannot see the implications for my live site as it is not the same.

Also when testing plugins it works out that sometimes they interfere with other components. You guys always say then to disable plugins and see if the problem is solve then, but on a live site that is not a nice solution. I think it is better to have a running copy of the live weblog on a test environment and then do some testing and if that works out fine then move things over to live site.

 

So I disagree with your idea that a test site without a license and all the bits and pieces installed is comprehensive testing. 

 

It should be a nice feature from pagelines if one could download/install a free license just for testing. So not to be used on a second live site. Bloggers experiment and change a lot on their blog in with such a license comprehensive testing could be achieved.

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Rob

Hans,

What you're seeking to accomplish is development and thus needs a Developer's or at least, Business license. While it would be nice to have a free, full testing product, that would defeat the purpose of the licenses tens of thousands of others have paid for.  So, to test it, comprehensively in the manner you wish, you should simply purchase an upgrade to a developer's license.

Professional site developers have no issue with this, knowing that they're going to use the license again and again. As I've mentioned, even the Business level license has the ability to manage your license installations, allowing you to do this.  So really, the only problem is which paid version you have and no problem with DMS being tested in MAMP as a full level product. It boils down to one simple thing, which license you're willing to pay for.  The cost between the Basic and Business licenses is nominal. Maybe it is just time to upgrade!


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hansonexperience

Ok. Thx. I am just personal blogger and not a developer. I pay the license myself. Bloggers test more somehow without being professional developers. But I will look into this, altough I hope that Danny can also work out.

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hansonexperience

Rob difference in costs between personal and business being nominal? Huh? It is twice the price I just checked. Going from 8 to 16 $ per month for one personal blog to test..... does not make sense.

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Rob

Hans,

 

I can't help it, regretfully, that you don't want to spend $8 more to achieve your goals, but expect us to give away a full version of our product for free. It cost hundreds of thousands of dollars investment to develop and tens of thousands have paid for it, but you're asking them to forfeit their payments for your insistence on a free product.   I'm sorry, but a little reality check here is simply that if you want to achieve something specific and it needs buying something, or paying for it, that's what it takes.  If you want to own an automobile, you expect to pay for it. If you want to go places in it, you pay for petrol.  Well, if you insist on testing the product, which is a fair thing, then you should expect to pay for the product to achieve that.

 

Why couldn't you activate Twenty Thirteen, test using your basic license, and then manage it to the full site when your testing is done?  How long could this testing take?

 

Danny has made your request, so let's wait for an answer from the developers.  Meanwhile, if you're still insisting on this happening quickly, you have those options.


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hansonexperience

Rob regretful you don't "listen". But it could be me miscommunication as I am dutch. I did not mention testing basic with twenty thirteen. I want to test it with DMS as this new way of developing sites with this great platform deserve being tested and it handles in other ways as normal themes. In twenty thirteen no section, chrome editing a.s.o. can be tested. And as mentioned in other discussion youtube embedding work in these themes (as in pagelines iblogpro). But not in dms. That's I want to test it there before I publish it.

And regretful you can't image that 100$ a year extra is not just a cup of coffee. There are so much themes for free or 45$ once.

 

Testing is always for free. Also an autombile testride is for free, Actually right now I am testing a VPS for free. Because the reality check of those guys saw that blogging about their services give them new customers, good evaluation, better products.

 

DMS started in open source. The more I think of it as conclusion to these kinds of discussions with you it seems that the business model is "lock them in" and then let them pay.

 

If you would have thought something further, you could have "seen" that giving away free testing licenses to individual bloggers could have given a boost in your virtual campagne. 

As a trendwatcher, senior strategic business developer and senior social media specialist I know for sure that the way you communicate and "serve" custoemer is not user-friendly and way of what I expected to find here.

 

But let me put it at my side: bad to start discussion, ask questions, give free advice to improve business and empower customers.

 

For now this discussion is closed. Bad bad.

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Rob

Hans, I did not say to test with Twenty Thirteen, but to manage your site's license.  Apply Twenty Thirteen temporarily to your regular site, then manage your license over to the test site. Complete your testing, then, resume DMS on the regular site and manage the license so that it applies to that regular site.    I apologize if I created confusion there.

 

Testing is available to you, free, using our free product.  No one gives away full versions of their software for testing.  Yes, you can go to a showroom and test an automobile before purchase, but they don't give you the keys to test it permanently.  What you're asking for is the keys, registration and the warranty, all in one.  That's not likely to happen.  If you asked to test an Adobe product, they'll give you a free, limited version, but not a full one.  Same with Microsoft, Apple and every other software developer.

 

DMS is still in open source, but being open source doesn't mean giving away full licenses with all the extras free. Your request is for all those extras, and you choose to not pay the price of an upgraded license.  That is your choice, not something we're forcing upon you, respectfully.

 

Over 300 developers tested our product. An open invitation went out to everyone. There's no need to have bloggers beta testing a released product at this time.

 

I've provided you with several options and I regret that you're not accepting any solutions offered.  But that's your choice. 


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hansonexperience

you say twenty thirteen with license and testing gives the same output? I do not think so.

As you know if you think, this theme is completely different from dms. Otherwise their should no need to be pay for dms at all.

I did not ask for beta testing as blogger. I just gave you an advise to include a free license or possibility to use the license on a offline test site. that's all.

 

As said discussion closed and I do not like your defense responses instead of thinking with clients.

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Rob

Hans,

 

I don't appreciate your accusation that I am misunderstanding you, nor that I am defending DMS without consideration of the client's needs.  I always put the clients needs first. 

 

You've completely mistaken my suggestion, so I'll clarify this and then I won't bother you further with any replies.

 

Let's say you have a site called Webs101.com that has a DMS Basic license used on it.   Temporarily, you can go to Dashboard > Appearance > Themes and change the theme to any other one you want.   It can be Twenty Ten, Twenty Thirteen, PageLines Framework or any you desire.  This is only a temporary thing.

 

You can then log into https://www.pagelines.com/my-account/.   When you're there, you can click on the My Orders tab.  Find your Basic License and click "View".

 

There's an option there to deactivate the license from your site.   Before you do this, make sure everything is backed up.

 

Then, you can go to your new test site. We will call it Test101.com.  There, you install DMS, and activate the license.   Conduct all your testing with DMS, not with Twenty Thirteen.   When you've completed your testing, you can then export your settings, if desired, or theme, and return to the license at My Accounts >  My Orders, and deactivate the license once more.  At that point, Test101.com will convert back to the free version.

 

Now, you can return to Webs101.com, and activate the license there.   If you wish, you can import any theme or settings you saved and exported in the test site.  That is your choice and a great option.   Once you've reactivated the license, your main site, Webs101.com is back to normal and Test101.com will still have all the premium sections.  You just can't change them, or try to remove our branding.  But, according to what you're saying, this is only for testing, so the test should be completed by then.    You can do this over and over again, as many times as you wish, if you wish to continue testing at some future time.

 

If you think I'm not trying to assist you, please be assured that's simply not true.  I've endeavored to assist you every time we've communicated, and made sure that you were able to resolve the forum access issue you had recently. 


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hansonexperience

I cannot help that you do not appreciate my response. As I did not like your responses on this and other responses today. For sure you helped me but not in this case.

 

Seems to be a long and inefficient way to test every plugin, sections, new released themes, hooks a.s.o. in this way and with all the pro section being removed from my live site while testing so that all visitors do see an incomplete site. And of course I can buy an expensive upgrade but for this purpose it is not an option as with other themes i can have a local test site which I can test without any expenses.

 

Ok, you try to help me but you do not see that a test license (which could not be used live) could be a helpful solution. It could just check a site and see that it is used already live and not being able to use but can be used on local server.

 

For now wishing you all the best but I do not think we come any closer to a suitable solution as buying a 100$ upgrade per year for testing purpose as I do not want my site being stripped during stripped and just for testing.

 

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Simon

I gave you an extra activation. Not sure as it will work as you canceled your subscription via paypal by the looks of it.

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hansonexperience

Great!! I did not cancel my subscription. I just cancelled the automatical annual renewal. I will test it.

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Simon

Well in woocommerce it says cancelled by IPN. Nothing we can do about that as we dont have access to anyones paypal accounts. 

 

For future reference for anyone else reading this, there is a 'hold' button in the my-account area that will put subs on hold.

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